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Episode 93: Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
Written by Esteban Salazar   
Sunday, 11 September 2011 09:59

Because this comes after that, this must be caused by that.

Ok, it just seems like a deep title, when in reality we were just running out of ideas.

-Dale completes Deus Ex (OG) as the new game storms shelves.

-The long awaited return of Review Haiku

-Masters of Doom: In those halcyon days was the end of Japanese gaming forged?

-Regular Sqaure-Enix laughfest/hate speech.

-3ds: Do I even need to write anything?

-Listener questions and more!

Alter Ego, Alma Mater, Quid Pro Quo

 

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Last Updated on Sunday, 11 September 2011 10:11
 

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#1 Deathmetalgreg 2011-09-12 04:04
One question: Why were we subjected to Lonesteban's make-out music during the podcast outro? That was very cruel.
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#2 Lonesteban 2011-09-12 05:38
Dude, that wasn't my make out music. This is my makeout music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFLRHPUWBI8
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#3 volt1up 2011-09-12 11:36
Pre-order items are always hot.

It seems like valve setup the infrastructure for something potentially game-changing, Im not sure what though.

Green Man Gaming, another digital retailer, does something interesting where they let you trade in games you're done with for store credit.

The "craziest" thing I can imagine is Valve allowing us to do something similar, but trading our "used" digital copies with each other with them maybe charging a fee per transaction. I would exclusively use steam at that point.

Dale I think you tweeted you were checking out a game called realm of the mad god? How was that? Those RPS guys find some err interesting stuff, did you see that "woodpunk" game? Those screen-shots are the stuff of nightmares.
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#4 angelkin 2011-09-12 14:35
I had the speaker and light attachments for the Gameboy. I think cell phones from around the same time were smaller. :D
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#5 Count Elmdor 2011-09-12 16:02
I didn't know Green Man Gaming did a trade in type of thing, that is interesting.

It would be awesome if Steam let you somehow revoke your key for games that you owned and turn them into gift copies to trade to people. I don't see it happening without some kind of fee, though, if ever.

Realm of the Mad God is ok to kill some time with. It's kind of a strange blend of F2P action-adventure and twin-stick (though it's key/mouse) type of gameplay. I was goofing off at work with it for a few days, but lately I've been using Minecraft for that.
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#6 Count Elmdor 2011-09-12 18:24
I don't know why my audio is so low volume lately. I need some amplification!
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#7 Shin-Vlad 2011-09-13 01:37
@Lonesteban I clicked on your link then ended up jamming out to Enigma's Return To Innocence. Gotta love that crazy chanting! I picked up Brink for PS3 this past weekend and I am in the same boat. I can't seem to find anybody online at all for multiplayer. Totally sucks because the game seems like it could be pretty fun.

@Count Elmdor I'm starting my very first playthrough of Deus Ex tonight. I picked it up on Steam a while back when it was like 2 bucks and I totally forgot that I had it. Thanks for your thoughts and impressions on the game.

Oh and thanks for mentioning the Star Wars Blu-Ray fiasco on the podcast. You guys seriously had me cracking up with your take on it.
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#8 Deathmetalgreg 2011-09-13 04:03
Lonesteban! Lol. Surely you meant that this was your make-out music. (perhaps not safe for work)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfwDueDd5Ng&feature=related
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#9 JoeX111 2011-09-13 04:03
It's no big surprise Squeenix is going the sequel route with Final Fantasy XIII. They did this interview post-mortem with Gamasutra where they basically admitted their development was botched and they produced WAAAAAAY too many assets to fit a single game. So what's a lazy company to do? Cram all that extra into another couple games and float on the profit.
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#10 Deathmetalgreg 2011-09-13 04:07
Actually, this is a more appropriate choice for Lonesteban's make-out music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI0ce0JERwg
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#11 mouse5050 2011-09-13 17:30
i just bought those sony headphones for ps3. there pretty decent.
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#12 G 2011-09-14 04:23
I hope you guys can get John (Davis) on the podcast more often, he really compliments you guys and makes for some funny discussions.
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#13 volt1up 2011-09-14 06:46
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on this FFX remake.
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#14 Count Elmdor 2011-09-14 17:14
Quoting volt1up:
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on this FFX remake.


FFX sucks.

I'll save the rest of this rant for the show this week.
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#15 Lonesteban 2011-09-15 01:31
Thanks, DMG, for giving me heart palpitations based purely on the titles of those songs. I did LOL, though.

Mouse, which phones? I've been thinking of picking some up.

G, we totally want to have John on more often. And it looks like we will. Don't know about this week though.

Count, I don't share your opinion that X sucks. I liked it a lot. We'll debate this shit on the show, I'm sure. Btw, we can't record until Monday night your time. Is that ok?
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#16 Count Elmdor 2011-09-15 22:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc
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#17 Deathmetalgreg 2011-09-16 04:21
Hmm. That does not make me want to play FFX....

Have you seen the Gears of War 3 reviews?! Looks like it will probably live up to the hype. What I want to know is, will the Count be picking up a new Xbox to play it or just wait until it comes to PC?
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#18 Count Elmdor 2011-09-16 05:12
I doubt it ever comes to PC, since the 2nd never did, and MS could give a shit for PC gaming.

I'll be wanting to play it, but that alone won't sell me on another 360. Sad to say it, but it may take Gears 3 and Halo 4 for that. MS has really gone limp on the exclusives over the last couple of years.
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#19 Deathmetalgreg 2011-09-16 05:21
"Limp"??!! Are you calling Gears 3 and Halo 4 the equivalent of gaming "viagra"?? !! Don't forget about the 4 hour rule homeboy.
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#20 Lonesteban 2011-09-16 06:29
Everyone always rags on that scene. In fact, most people hate the guy that did Tidus' voice, but believe me, it's way better than the Japanese guy that did it. That scene is supposed to be forced. They don't actually feel like laughing, they are making themselves do it. I can't believe I'm defending it, but if you wanna hate on any FF's, hate on XI or VIII.

Gears 3 PC will never happen.

It looks SICK.
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#21 volt1up 2011-09-16 07:50
Yeah its clearly supposed to be forced. FFX is ok. I always thought the guy sounded like Sonic though.

I really don't get your love for Gears, I enjoyed Gears clones more than Gears. They are alright games and I will play through them because they'll have local coop.
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#22 Lonesteban 2011-09-16 07:55
Gears just excels at what it is. It's supposed to be a dumb, loud action-fest. It uses guitar riffs to signal the ending of phases! I know it's not taking gaming in any stellar direction, but fuck is it fun.
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#23 mouse5050 2011-09-16 08:48
those new ones that sony put out that only work for the ps3. there 100 bucks here. i got em for a discount. they have a built in mic and simulated surround sound. they look like ass but there pretty decent. minus the douches in the advertisement http://us.playstation.com/ps3/accessories/wireless-stereo-headset-ps3.html

in other stuff that's pissing me off. Resistance 3 online is goddamn garbage.
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#24 Lonesteban 2011-09-16 10:10
Ah, yeah, I know those. I was thinking of picking up some Turtle Beach cans because they work on both systems.
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#25 Count Elmdor 2011-09-16 16:42
Quoting Lonesteban:
if you wanna hate on any FF's, hate on XI


I will fucking renkei on you.

Yeah, that scene was just a glib internet troll response. I'll go into why I dislike X (despite buying & played the US version and the JP International version both) on the show.

In fact, maybe we should talk about the whole series entry by entry sometime.

Volt, I like Gears in single player because it's awesomely "visceral." As big brutal action games go, it's done very well. The abandoned lab in Gears 2 with the guys jumping out of the glass tubes was wickedly fun. I was chainsawing them laughing maniacally the whole time. I also thought Gears 2 had some of the best graphics I'd ever seen at the time.

I can't stand the competitive multiplayer, though.
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#26 volt1up 2011-09-16 19:12
Quoting mouse5050:
in other stuff that's pissing me off. Resistance 3 online is goddamn garbage.


Sup, can you elaborate on why its garbage?

I would love a FF themed CoP. Make it happen guys.

Gears somehow is always more fun in retrospect, I'm never really having an awesome time while playing, even if I'm enjoying it. I think it probably has to do with how seriously it takes it itself while really having zero reason too.
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#27 Mr GT Chris 2011-09-16 23:17
Good, relatively recent Square Enix games... mmm, well I've liked Star Ocean 4, Final Fantasy: Crisis Core, Chaos Rings, and Nier (published only). I definitely see the criticism levelled at them, especially when you hear about some of the inner workings of the company.
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#28 Deathmetalgreg 2011-09-17 23:24
Best chat overheard from random npc bystander in LA Noire: "I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."
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#29 mouse5050 2011-09-18 16:29
Quoting volt1up:
Quoting mouse5050:
in other stuff that's pissing me off. Resistance 3 online is goddamn garbage.


Sup, can you elaborate on why its garbage?


there is terrible lag when in crowded places. matchmaking is terrible. you dont really have perks but the people who have been playing for hella amounts of hours upgrade all of their weapons and you start out with a crappy pea shooter. you just cant compete. oh and if i shoot some one in the head they should die. i shouldn't have to shoot them with 12 shots in the head with the marksman to get a headshot.
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#30 Count Elmdor 2011-09-19 00:12
Quoting Deathmetalgreg:
Best chat overheard from random npc bystander in LA Noire: "I used to be indecisive, but now I'm not so sure."


That's awesome. I still randomly intone "I gotta go on vacation!" like GTA III npcs did.
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#31 G 2011-09-19 08:35
I gotta defend FFX as when it came out, regardless of the quality of the VO, the fact that there was so much of it blew me away. Previously in JRPGs it was usually just reserved for cutscenes if it was even included at all. I recall the graphics being amazing for the time, and the way they integrated the obtaining of summons into the storyline was great. Fuck the haters, FFX was awesome and I for one am psyched to play this remake, this time in Japanese. Esteban, in general, did you feel the Japanese VO was better or worse than the English?
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#32 mouse5050 2011-09-19 17:20
I like FFX. Maybe because it was my first FF game. What really sticks out to me about the game was the music.
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#33 Count Elmdor 2011-09-20 16:15
We talked some for the next episode about FFX, but Esteban's recording go messed up and we lost that. We're going to try to record that part again tonight or tomorrow.
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